Last week was an interesting one in blogland, that’s for certain.
I think there were two different hooplas (can hoopla be plural-ed?). I was only following one of them. But something caught my eye last night about the other hoopla.
Now bear in mind, I haven’t followed this incident, I wasn’t at RT and I haven’t talked to anybody about it so my understanding of the events may not be complete. But from what I can tell, here’s what happened.
There were some promo posters up at the hotel in Houston…(it was Houston, right?). Several of them were fairly explicit, either featuring M/M or M/F in …hmmmmmm…. risque situations. Book covers, blown up to poster size. Some complaints were made and the M/M poster was taken down. Supposedly the complaints were made by businessmen or business woman to hotel management and management in return either took them down or had them taken down. Only the M/M, though, if I understand the gist of this.
Okay, now before anybody skewers me or attacks my right to have my own personal opinion…read the rest of the post and try to understand the thoughts behind the opinion.
The only thing I think the hotel did wrong was to not remove all posters that were in public view. Yes. All. M/M, F/F, M/F, M/M/F, M/F/M,F/F/M…. All that were in the public view, if they were explicit.
Why do I feel like this….
That’s easy. This was a hotel. Hotels cater to business people and vacationers. The hotel has an obligation to make sure their customers aren’t made to feel uncomfortable. The explicitness of the posters (which tend to be pretty big) made some of them uncomfortable. Now me, personally, if it was just ME, I probably just would have ignored something that made me feel uncomfortable. But… throw my kids into the equation, would I have said something?
Yes. Emphatically. And it doesn’t matter what the subject matter on the poster was, which is why I say I feel the hotel should have either moved ALL the posters out of public view or removed them period. RT is usually sprawls out into conference rooms so this material could have been placed where the only people who saw them were the people attending the convention.
Chances are if these posters were in a place where business travelers could see them, families would too. And is a poster featuring a couple (no matter the sexual orientation) in a sexual clinch really appropriate for kids to see? No. It’s not.
Whether you have children or not, picture yourself walking thru a hotel on a family trip, hand in hand with a six year old boy. Six year old boys WILL see those posters if they are in the public eye. Do you want to be the one explaining that poster to that six year old? They will ask. Is six years old really mature enough to exposed to that sort of sexual material? No. I don’t think any sane, intelligent person can honestly and rationally answer that question any other way.
Does this mean it’s your responsibility make sure underage readers aren’t exposed to your material? No…that is the parent’s job. However, when you’re in public, I do think you need to take some responsibility. Parents don’t lead their children around blindfolded so keep it in mind when you do your promo stuff. It does boil down to respect. You can write what you want. If erotic romance offends some people, they don’t have to read them or buy them. I can understand that. But sexually explicit posters aren’t something a person can really avoid seeing, or keeping their kids from seeing, if it’s right there in the public. Anybody who has ever tried to keep a child away from something they shouldn’t see knows just how hard this is. But it’s not really fair to expect that mom to grab her child and leave so you don’t have to worry about that poster.
My thoughts on the entire subject would be that the hotel would be perfectly in their rights to request that any sexually explicit material either be kept small and inconspicuous or that they not be allowed in the public areas…ie:hallways. Keep them in the conference rooms. Things like bookmarks and magnets are much easier to keep out of public view because they aren’t RIGHT THERE~bookmarks and magnets aren’t so big that you can’t help but see it.
Is there a way to avoid this sort of thing in the future? Yeah, but it would take work on part of publishers, compromise on the part of authors, forethought on the part of the hotel.
Publishers
They need to understand that there is a way to be sensual without putting a couple in a naked clinch. Those sort of covers make a lot of readers uncomfortable, even if they are romance lovers. I can’t exactly say nekkid covers make me uncomfortable but I don’t like them. I just don’t. If it’s something I wouldn’t want my kids to see, I won’t buy it. If it’s a cover for one of my books and I don’t want my kids seeing it, chances are it’s not going to be a book I promote much…books I promote, I keep author copies on hand and if I can’t keep it in my office due to the nekkid people on the cover, then I won’t promote it that much. It will end up in a box in the attic and I’m too lazy to go fetch it every time I use it as an book giveaway. This is why I request, when I can, the covers be sensual…not overly sexual.
I’m not the only mom who reads romance so I know I’m not the only mom who has bypassed a book because it wasn’t something she wanted to risk her preschooler seeing. I’m raising my kids to understand that the books mommy reads are grown up books and they don’t go messing with them or trying to read them, but that teaching doesn’t keep the baby bratlet from grabbing books off the shelves and dragging them around the house while she’s on her mischief hunt. Since I don’t want her dragging out books that her older brother and sister can’t see… I just don’t buy them.
There’s a cover up on Sybil’s blog that even if it’s the best book in the world, I won’t buy it… not something I’d want my kids seeing, especially the two that can read! I’m certain I’m not the only mom who’s going to see that title and go, huh?
Authors
Especially those who write erotic romance, need to understand that what we write is going to make some people uncomfortable. You’re entitled to write whatever you want. But the general public is also entitled to not feel so comfortable about it.
If you want people to respect your right to write whatever, then you have to respect their feelings on it, whether they like erotic stuff or not. Respect does go both ways. I have friends who know what I write and yes, it makes them uncomfortable. Do I call them narrow-minded over it? No. They are entitled to their opinion. Do they call me an immoral slut because of what I write? No. They respect my choice. Respect…goes both ways.
When you’re doing your promo material, yeah, you want to catch the reader’s eyes, but you don’t want to totally alienate everybody else. Some of those everybody elses might be potential readers. And even if they’re not, they are entitled to not like what they see on your promo material. If you’re lucky enough to write for a publisher that gives you some say…try requesting a cover that isn’t so explicit, it will singe somebody’s eyelashes just looking. Save the singe for what’s between the covers. This is especially important if you write for smaller houses. Larger publishers (usually) tend to keep the steam level on the covers to sensual rather than overtly sexual just because it does make stocking and shelfing them a little less of an event.
One thing I regularly request of my epubs is that the couple be clothed, and I do mean clothed, not just undies. I’ve been very lucky, too, I think I have some of the best looking covers, sensual, romantic…and nothing I feel the need to totally hide for fear my daughter or son might see one laying around. I also request no clinches. We’ve all seen the bodice ripper covers and even romance writers roll their over those.
When you’re doing up your promo material, think about where you’re going to be. Most booksignings are done in public places and public places tend to have … KIDS… is that poster something a five or six year old ought to see? If not, and you do it anyway, chances are you’ll end up losing potential book buyers. I go to bookstores family in tow…and again…I’m not the only mom who does. If you have something on your table that kids shouldn’t see, I won’t come up and talk to you. This even applies at RT because that booksigning IS open to the public. That hallways ARE open to the public. Open to the public means just that…
By all means, you want readers to come and investigate, but there are some who won’t come over if the poster is featuring a nekkid clench-fest. If they don’t come over and check it out…a potential reader lost.
Public venues
The management of these places need to be aware beforehand of what they are hosting. They need to think about their guests and keep the best interest of all in mind. If it’s a places where young kids, conservatively minded people are going to be, then they have the right to request explicit material either be left at home or kept to a minimum. I’ve been to several group signings where the bookseller requested no overtly sexual material and I understood perfectly.
So those are my feelings on the subject. Agree or not, I’m hoping some people can understand why sometimes less (nekkid, steam, etc) can actually translate to more (potential readers, potential buyers, potential royalties).
FYI, some of this isn’t going to apply to ebooks…ebooks themselves are much easier to keep away from kids, just by the nature of being ebooks. But the promoting ideas do still apply. Will I read erotic romance ebooks? Uh… yeah, I write them so of course I’ll read them. But if you’re promoting your books at a place where I might have my kids, and your table is filled with huge, nekkid posters, penis shaped suckers and handcuffs, then I’ll bypass your table. That right there can translate to lost sales. Meeting an author makes that author stand out in my mind and standing out is one way to get your book bought.
May 7, 2007 at 4:56 pm
Very sensible post, Shiloh.
A note about the RT thing though: It seems that the section where the promo was removed was closed off for RT-goers only.
May 7, 2007 at 5:09 pm
Then what’s the deal with the businessmen complaining? Was that just a polite way out of it for the hotel?
I do know that the RT con I went, the conference rooms and such were being used for RT, however, hotel guests could still pass thru hallways. Or the areas could be seen~like a room off to the side of a lobby or another conference room being used for other stuff.
Unless it’s actually inside a closed off conference, chances are stuff going to be seen by people outside of the convention.
Regardless of what happened, the hotel probably would have been wise to set some sort of guidelines, IMO.
Of course if we could just address the cover issue…. sexy doesn’t have to mean raw, hot and steaming.
May 7, 2007 at 5:26 pm
Shiloh – Lauren B has the “offending” poster up on her website. It’s an “aerial” photo of a (one) nude man in a bed, sensitive parts covered with a sheet, reading a book, and some text saying something to the effect “Reading – the second best thing to do in bed.” It was very tasteful, in my opinion, and he was a gorgeous man.
I think the Hyatt manager got wind that gay erotic romance was being touted and over-reacted. I doubt any Hyatt customer complained. I think the manager just didn’t want to risk it.
RT should have stood up for the author more than they did. Caving as they did was cowardly. The outcome might still have been the same, but at least the point would have been made.
May 7, 2007 at 5:38 pm
That’s entirely possible. It happens often and it will continue to happen.
I did go look at the picture on Laura B’s blog and eh… yeah, it’s tasteful, however, it still isn’t a poster I’d want my kids seeing.
That’s the meter I judge things by. Nudity isn’t anything I’m ashamed of, but that’s a bit more explicit than I’d use in my promo. Just because what I use for my promo, I reuse. I take it to wherever until I can’t use it anymore. I don’t use ‘okay for public consumption’ versus ‘better for a more adult viewing’. Since I am aware of the issues many parents that read are faced with, I’m careful about anything I do promo-wise.
Am I overcautious? As a parent, no, I don’t think. A child’s exposure to anything sexual needs to be closely watched. As a writer promoting her stuff? Some are going to think yes, I’m overly cautious. But I’ve been on the other side, going to an author signing …or just in a bookstore where one was taking place and I ended up leaving without talking to the author because there were things around I didn’t want my kids seeing.
Bookstores shouldn’t have to have an age limit to get in, or a warning sign. I keep my kids out of the adult sections and that ought to be enough.
May 7, 2007 at 6:05 pm
As someone who reads and buys books, I honestly don’t understand why romance publishers don’t get that a striking cover doesn’t have to have a body part or face etc.
May 7, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Look at JR Ward’s book covers… are those sensual? Yeah. Are they striking? Yeah. Eye-catching….check. And not a nekkid body part among them.
I dunno what the deal is about the covers. Supposedly publishers have reason to think that the steamier the cover, the more people that buy it. I don’t agree. I’m actually less inclined to pick up a book with a racier cover, no matter what the genre, just because I don’t like have to keep certain books where kids can’t get to them. More, I don’t want to set aside reading time just for those books, reading time when the kids aren’t here. That’s called work time…not sexy read time.
May 7, 2007 at 6:28 pm
I didn’t address this part and I should have. I feel that if the hotel was going to enforce this on one, they should have been fair and requested all of the more explicit material be moved out of eyesight or taken down altogether. Plain and simple.
Did they cave? I dunno. Were there complaints? I dunno. As I’ve said, I wasn’t there.
But all of this is something to think about when you’re working on your promo stuff. It’s not going to do you any good if you’re requested to take that sexy poster down or if it has possible buyers bypassing your table because they have littles with them.
May 7, 2007 at 6:50 pm
The promo items were in a public hallway area, contrary to what’s been going around the web. I believe someone mentioned that they were on the way to the parking garage. Not sure about that, but I could certainly walk around the area and not feel like I was intruding in a conference. RT had designated rooms, but the halls were open. And BTW, I agree with you. I don’t have kids, but I understand how some of the covers could’ve made the ‘public’ uncomfortable. People also need to remember that Texas is fairly conservative in that respect. At least on the outside.
May 7, 2007 at 7:29 pm
That’s exactly my point, Shiloh. Or heck, if they want to use faces, faces are good, in this context–I have a thing against faces on covers, unless it’s the Darkyn covers.
And despite that other Romantic Times hoopla, I don’t think I’ve seen any official from RT statements regarding the issue. Anybody? Or am I right saying that if Jane doesn’t know, nobody else does? LOL.
May 7, 2007 at 8:09 pm
May, ;o) Jane certainly seems to be in the know. But since I haven’t exactly followed this, I can’t say.
Jordan, thanks for clarifying that. I had a feeling that was the issue. In St Louis, the hallways were kept open. I only came in for the signing but I did meet some friends for dinner there Friday night and my husband and kids were with me. They were spending Saturday at Six Flags and we ended up leaving the hotel earlier than planned on Friday just because of some of the promo stuff on display.
I’m not trying to call names or point fingers or anything, but those of us who aren’t exactly conservative (and actually, i am fairly conservative) tend to get all upset when somebody tries to judge what we are doing~we don’t like somebody else’s opinions being forced on us. But in circumspect, we shouldn’t do it to others and flashing nekkid man/woman flesh in a public area where there are likely to business travelers, families with kids, etc is almost forcing it on others.
May 8, 2007 at 2:16 am
As a mother, I completely agree with what you are saying Shiloh.
There are some covers out there that make ME cringe. I love to read erotic romance, but since I have 2 daughters I don’t buy books with explicit covers anymore. Have I in the past? Yeah. I have a couple and I would use my handy-dandy, cloth book-cover to put on them. I don’t do that anymore.
IMO, covers don’t have to be that explicit to sell. Not even erotic romance covers.
May 8, 2007 at 4:28 pm
You made some great points. Wonderful post.
May 9, 2007 at 12:15 am
I usually try to stay out of this types of things too, but I think your post was very well done. I also agree that if one poster came down, they all should’ve. Would I have been happy about it? No, because it costs a lot to go to a conference like that, and there was no mention of the promo alley being an open part of the hotel. (It was my first RT and I figured it would be similar to RWA, in a room).
It is something that should’ve been discussed with the hotel when the conference was booked there. And hopefully, in the future, it will.
May 9, 2007 at 12:28 am
That threw me, too, when I hit RT in St Louis. Live and learn, I guess. :OP
Maybe RT will take it into consideration for future events. Only time will tell~
May 9, 2007 at 5:31 pm
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May 10, 2007 at 12:51 am
I agree with Shiloh 100%.
I’m not a conservative but I draw the line where children are concerned. They have a right to remain innocent and childlike and not be hammered over the head with sexual imagery everywhere they go.
Is it so much to ask that kids have a chance to be kids for just a little longer?
Or is it simply naive to believe that for once social responsibility could win out over the almighty dollar?
And for any publishers that might be reading, the Washington Post published a piece a couple years ago about how research showed that using sexually charged images to sell things actually left the viewer with little memory of the product at all. In essence, it’s counterproductive.